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Shaman issues

Postby Judgement » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:57 pm

Heya Shamans! This is a thread where you may post your class issues. However, to avoid clutter, only make a post when you have made the research and can post the bug itself and links to evidence on how it should be. More links you can post is better as we typically require the capability of cross referencing.

To emphasise the above, I will delete any post that cannot be considered as a full report. That includes posts without links to evidence, plain theorycrafting, inquiries and anything else that deviates from the intent of this thread.

An example post template:

- I know a bug with <spell (spell ID)>,
- It should work like this instead of that
- This is how to reproduce it easily
- <Lots of links to the evidence>

We'd appreciate any specific info about what is wrong and how it should be.

Thanks in advance :thumbsup:

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Issues so far:
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1. Flurry not refreshing on last charge. - Added to tracker
2. Stormstrike-Windfury interaction - Added to tracker
3. HoJ-Windfury interaction
4. Frost Shock Diminishing returns - Added to tracker
5. Weapon Skill doesn't apply properly after respec. - Added to tracker /list]
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Zardian » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:23 pm

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Disclaimer, the things im going to post today are stuff that i have reported previously already, i dont know if theyre of any use to you but at the very least they open my research to some healthy peer-review and get them archived in a neat public space.

Ability: Flurry (Enhancement tier 4 talent)

When a shaman crits on their last charge of a flurry (third flurry consuming attack), flurry fails to refresh.
Flurry should refresh at any time you crit with a melee attack, as evidenced by the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuhUUHhlmH8#t=376

a little healthy speculation, given that flurrys refreshing is only an issue on the last charge of a previous flurry, it probably has to do with the code preparing to remove the old flurry (the last attack of which was just used) refreshing it due to the crit and then proceeding with the removal of the flurry.
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Zardian » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:31 pm

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Ability: Stormstrike & Windfury

When a stormstrike procs windfury the extra attacks are delayed to the shamans next whiteswing and 1 of the 2 attacks disappears. Stormstrike proccing windfury should ofcourse work like normal whites proccing it, resulting in 2 instant extra attacks with some extra attack power on those attacks.

Reproducing is a simple matter of making a shaman, learning those 2 skills and Stormstriking until you get a proc.

Evidence that ss->wf should be instant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1j7xWpB3w#t=528

You can rather clearly see our little clicker friend allowing a whiteswing to hit, waiting a tiny bit and then using stormstrike which procs windfury, the attacks of which happen instantly.
A good eye might catch that all the attacks killing the mage appear to be white, You can see both stormstrike on his bars going on cooldown and i found a spot proving that for whatever reason ss is displayed as a white in some of the clips, has to do with either the patch or his ui setup/addons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1j7xWpB3w#t=498
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Zardian » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:46 pm

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Lastly for the big elephant in the room, more complicated extra attack mechanics. Another little healthy disclaimer, i do not know for sure wether the clips im about to link for evidence from retail vanilla are whiteswings proccing both wf and hoj or proccing one which then procs the other, regardless this is worth reporting, i will update if i find anything conclusive but i believe its impossible to.

Ability: Windfury & interaction with other extra attacks, notably the trinket Hand of Justice.

How it should work: At the very least a hand of justice proc and windfury should not override eachother.

Reproduction: Teach yourself windfury, get hand of justice and observe what happens, if you can modify the test servers database separately you could make hand of justice proc 100% to make it easier for yourself.

So far i have recorded 3 reproductions of the interaction on rebirth as follows:

https://youtu.be/vPwp2PDjE0A?t=77
crit 402 procs hoj, which is "stored" as it works in rebirth,
next we get hits of 203 and 246 (next white and the stored hoj attack) and a phantom windfury effect that does nothing.

https://youtu.be/deOrGvblSBA?t=117
crit 362 procs hoj, same deal
then we get to the next white and in addition to the stored hoj attack a windfury happens, however only a total of 3 attacks are seen, 1 missing (the stored hoj attack maybe being the most logical thing but i wouldnt know for sure)

https://youtu.be/oJBllpVuQzY?t=164
hits of 205 and 248, a hoj proc visual and a windfury visual with nothing happening on the following attack.

Evidence:
https://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w?t=186
https://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w?t=248
https://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w?t=252
https://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w?t=432
https://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w?t=599

After scrutinizing this particular video for hours i reached the conclusion that its practically impossible to determine wether those clips are whites proccing both wf and hoj or one and then the other. If the devs or anyone else has any thoughts on this please go ahead, for now tho it atleast proves that the 2 shouldnt override and cancel out like they do on rebirth atm.
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby kawklee » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:47 pm

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Sorry guys, but its about time this got fixed.

Frost Shock should be on Diminishing Returns.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Frost_Shock

As of patch 1.40, they added DR to frost shock

They didn't remove the DR until 2.3

You can test this by... continually casting frost shock on someone. It is not subject to DR on TRB

" A handful of spells were added to the list of spells subject to diminishing returns in PvP. It is our goal to set as few spells as possible to be diminished. We've identified this short list of spells as having durations and cooldowns sufficient to almost permanently slow or immobilize targets but without adequate controls or other limiting factors. When a spell with diminishing returns is used against a target in PvP, the first effect has full duration. On the second use of the same category of spell (e.g. slowing), that spell's duration is reduced by 50%. On the third use, the duration is reduced by 75%. On the fourth attempt, the target becomes immune to the spell. Spells must be used on the same target within 15 seconds of the *end* of the duration in order to be diminished. In other words, if a target hasn't had a slowing spell active on them for more than 15 seconds, the next slowing spell will have full effect. The list of affected spells is:

Frost Shock
Entangling Roots
Frost Nova

"

From the patch notes.
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Deoffrey » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:45 am

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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Zardian » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:13 pm

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Cant believe i haven't checked this before given that i've complained about it several times

The weapon skills shouldnt need to be retrained upon speccing out of and back into 2h axes/maces.
Currently on rebirth if one gets that talent, trains those skills up to 300 and then unlearns the talent, the next time they pick it up their skills are at 1 and need to be remaxed (this takes about an hour of swinging a 3.8 weapon per skill)

Shouldnt be the case, obv you shouldnt be able to use those weapons without the talent but retaking it should give you your maxed weaponskills back, sauce:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.11.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20060702033 ... notes.html

World of Warcraft Client Patch 1.11.1 (6/28/2006)
Shaman

"Two-Handed Axes/Maces (Enhancement Talent) - Skill levels gained with these two weapons will now be retained if you decide to unspend this talent point and return to it later."
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Muggle » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:17 pm

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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Judgement » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:28 pm

This is not thread for discussion nor bumbing. Quoting issue and bumbing it does not affect the speed of anything in any fashion and it's only extra moderation work to keep the thread clean.
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Re: Shaman issues

Postby Zardian » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:09 pm

x - copied/entered elsewhere

Regarding Purge in duels. (spell 370 and 8012)

You currently cant purge in duels, it claims there is nothing dispellable even when there is and doesnt let you cast the spell.
Obviously you should be able to purge in duels like anywhere else.
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